π️Lonny's War Update- October 398, 2023 - November 7, 2024 π️
π️Day 398 that 101 of our hostages in Hamas captivity
**There is nothing more important than getting them home! NOTHING!**
“I’ve never met them,But I miss them. I’ve never met them,but I think of them every second. I’ve never met them,but they are my family. BRING THEM HOME NOW!!!”October 7th painted our lives in black and white. They abducted our loved ones and left us empty, leaving our lives devoid of color and taste.There is not a moment of the day that we do not imagine them returning to us - the living for rehabilitation and the murdered for a proper burial.We have to bring color back to our lives.We have to bring them all back home. Now!
We’re waiting for you, all of you.
A deal is the only way to bring
all the hostages home- the murdered for burial and the living for rehabilitation.
#BringThemHomeNow #TurnTheHorrorIntoHope
A deal is the only way to bring
all the hostages home- the murdered for burial and the living for rehabilitation.
#BringThemHomeNow #TurnTheHorrorIntoHope
There is no victory until all of the hostages are home!ΧΧΧ Χ Χ¦ΧΧΧ Χ’Χ Χ©ΧΧ ΧΧΧΧΧ€ΧΧ ΧΧΧΧͺ
The two sections at the end, personal stories and Dark Legacy - The Abandonment of October 7th Hostages are very important to read, as important or more than the news of the day.
Red Alerts - Missile, Rocket, Drone (UAV - unmanned aerial vehicles), and Terror Attacks and Death Announcements
*7:30pm yesterday- north- rockets/missiles*8:15pm yesterday- Jordan Valley (Dead Sea area) - hostile aircraft- Shedmot Mehola, Rotem, Maschiot,
*8:45pm yesterday - north- rockets/missiles*11:10pm yesterday- north- rockets/missiles
*12:25pm - south - rocekts - Netiv Haasara
*1:40pm - north - rockets/missiles
*1:45pm - north of Haifa and surrounding areas, Acre and surrounding areas- rockets/missiles
*1:45pm - north - rockets/missiles
*1:55pm - north - rockets/missiles
*2:15pm - north - rockets/missiles
*3:00pm - Haifa and areas around - rockets/missilesRed alert area
*3:15pm - north - rockets/missiles
*3:45pm - north - rockets/missiles
*4:10pm - north - rockets/missiles
*4:15pm - Haifa and all areas around - Some 50 rockets fired at Haifa, Galilee in recent barrage, IDF says
*8:45pm yesterday - north- rockets/missiles
*12:25pm - south - rocekts - Netiv Haasara
*1:40pm - north - rockets/missiles
*1:45pm - north of Haifa and surrounding areas, Acre and surrounding areas- rockets/missiles
*1:45pm - north - rockets/missiles
*1:55pm - north - rockets/missiles
*2:15pm - north - rockets/missiles
*3:00pm - Haifa and areas around - rockets/missiles
*3:15pm - north - rockets/missiles
*3:45pm - north - rockets/missiles
*4:10pm - north - rockets/missiles
*4:15pm - Haifa and all areas around - Some 50 rockets fired at Haifa, Galilee in recent barrage, IDF says
Some 50 rockets were fired from Lebanon at northern Israel in an attack about an hour ago, according to the IDF, bringing the total tally today to over 120 rockets launched into the country.
The IDF says that some 20 rockets were fired at the Western Galilee and another 30 were launched at the Haifa Bay area in the barrage. Some of the rockets were intercepted, the IDF says. Several rockets impacted, including one in the Haifa suburb of Kiryat Yam that caused damage to several cars.
Separately, the IDF says a drone launched from Lebanon a short while ago was shot down by air defenses over the Galilee Panhandle. No injuries were caused in the latest attacks. An 85-year-old man was lightly injured by shrapnel earlier.
*4:45pm - north - hostile aircraft - Kfar Yuval, Maayan Baruch, Naharia, Shavei Zion
The Israel Defense Forces announces that Sgt. Ariel Sosnov Sasonov, 20, of the 605th Engineering Battalion in the 188th Armored Brigade, from Jerusalem, was killed amid the fighting in the north with Hezbollah.
Sasonov was killed and several other soldiers in the border community of Avivim were hurt in a Hezbollah rocket barrage yesterday.
Separately, the army says that an infantryman in the Kfir Brigade’s 90th Battalion was seriously wounded yesterday during battles in northern Gaza, and was evacuated to a hospital.
An Israeli teenager was killed by a Hezbollah rocket in the north on Wednesday, after the terror group also fired rockets twice throughout the day at central Israel
He was later identified as Sivan Sade, an 18-year-old from the kibbutz who was working in the fields.
May their memories be a revolution
Some 50 rockets were fired from Lebanon at northern Israel in an attack about an hour ago, according to the IDF, bringing the total tally today to over 120 rockets launched into the country.
The IDF says that some 20 rockets were fired at the Western Galilee and another 30 were launched at the Haifa Bay area in the barrage. Some of the rockets were intercepted, the IDF says. Several rockets impacted, including one in the Haifa suburb of Kiryat Yam that caused damage to several cars.
Separately, the IDF says a drone launched from Lebanon a short while ago was shot down by air defenses over the Galilee Panhandle. No injuries were caused in the latest attacks. An 85-year-old man was lightly injured by shrapnel earlier.
*4:45pm - north - hostile aircraft - Kfar Yuval, Maayan Baruch, Naharia, Shavei ZionThe Israel Defense Forces announces that Sgt. Ariel Sosnov Sasonov, 20, of the 605th Engineering Battalion in the 188th Armored Brigade, from Jerusalem, was killed amid the fighting in the north with Hezbollah.
Sasonov was killed and several other soldiers in the border community of Avivim were hurt in a Hezbollah rocket barrage yesterday.
Separately, the army says that an infantryman in the Kfir Brigade’s 90th Battalion was seriously wounded yesterday during battles in northern Gaza, and was evacuated to a hospital.
An Israeli teenager was killed by a Hezbollah rocket in the north on Wednesday, after the terror group also fired rockets twice throughout the day at central Israel
He was later identified as Sivan Sade, an 18-year-old from the kibbutz who was working in the fields.
May their memories be a revolution
Hostage Updates
- The documentation found in the tunnel where six hostages were murderedFrom the documentation found in the tunnel Photo: No credit
In a video found in a tunnel in Rafah, terrorists were heard watching Al Jazeera and discussing the hostage Almog Sarusi and the protests in Israel. In the tunnel where six hostages were murdered, a USB drive was found containing a video in which two terrorists are heard watching Al Jazeera and talking about Almog Sarusi and the protests in Israel. This was revealed this evening (Wednesday) on Kan 11's news broadcast. video in Hebrew and Arabic
Almog's body was discovered in the Rafah tunnel in August, along with the five other hostages who had been held there with him for a period: Alex Lobanov, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Carmel Gat, Eden Yerushalmi, and Uri Danino. His mother, Nira, eulogized him at his funeral: "We hoped to see you happy, surrounded by family and friends. But you were abandoned, every single day."
Following the elimination of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, Yigal, Almog Sarusi's father, was interviewed on Kan Reshet Bet and spoke about his struggle to bring back his son and the other hostages over the 11 months that Almog was held captive. "I warned all along that mistakes would eventually be made. 'Do something,' I begged. I was very afraid of a situation where they would close in on the terrorists, leaving them no choice but to do what they did."
He recounted his appeals to decision-makers: "I begged everyone—members of Knesset, the government, the cabinet. I went to all of them. [Minister] Deri promised me he would act but did nothing." According to Sarusi, Prisoners of War and Missing Persons Coordinator Gal Hirsch, along with other officials, thwarted his attempts to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "The Prime Minister’s entourage kept turning me away, saying he was busy. For ten months, there were many excuses. Gal Hirsch blocked my meeting with Netanyahu twice," he explained. "He bears significant responsibility for Almog's death. If I had managed to reach the Prime Minister, maybe I could have influenced him."
According to him, the family was convinced that Almog would return home from captivity in Gaza. "We became stronger, and our belief was that there was no way the Almighty wouldn’t bring him back alive, healthy, and whole. All day, we were engaged only in charity, prayers, and acts of kindness," he recounted.
"Almost every month, we received a sign of life from Almog," Yigal added. "The second-to-last time, we learned that he had been shot in the arm and leg, with broken bones, but that he managed to recover without treatment." Exiting stage, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant reportedly told families of hostages held in Gaza that Israel’s military has no reason to remain in the Strip.
According to reports in Hebrew media, Gallant told the families that he and IDF head Herzi Halevi were both skeptical of claims that there were security or diplomatic justifications for leaving troops in the Strip.
“I can tell you what there was not, security considerations. Me and the IDF chief said there was no security reason for remaining in the Philadelphi Corridor,” he is quoted saying by Channel 12 news, referring to a strip of land in Gaza.
“Netanyahu said that it was a diplomatic consideration, I’m telling you there was no diplomatic consideration,” he added, according to the report, which is seemingly based on accounts from families who attended the meeting.
“There’s nothing left in Gaza to do. The major achievements have been achieved,” he’s quoted saying. “I fear we are staying there just because there is a desire to be there.”
He also said the idea that Israel must remain in Gaza to create stability was “an inappropriate idea to risk soldiers’ lives over,” reports say.
The comments are the starkest yet highlighting differences between Gallant, who backed a ceasefire deal to bring hostages home, and Netanyahu, who fired his defense chief on Tuesday. Gallant’s ouster officially goes into effect in two hours.
Hostage Updates
- The documentation found in the tunnel where six hostages were murderedFrom the documentation found in the tunnel Photo: No creditIn a video found in a tunnel in Rafah, terrorists were heard watching Al Jazeera and discussing the hostage Almog Sarusi and the protests in Israel. In the tunnel where six hostages were murdered, a USB drive was found containing a video in which two terrorists are heard watching Al Jazeera and talking about Almog Sarusi and the protests in Israel. This was revealed this evening (Wednesday) on Kan 11's news broadcast. video in Hebrew and ArabicAlmog's body was discovered in the Rafah tunnel in August, along with the five other hostages who had been held there with him for a period: Alex Lobanov, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Carmel Gat, Eden Yerushalmi, and Uri Danino. His mother, Nira, eulogized him at his funeral: "We hoped to see you happy, surrounded by family and friends. But you were abandoned, every single day."Following the elimination of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, Yigal, Almog Sarusi's father, was interviewed on Kan Reshet Bet and spoke about his struggle to bring back his son and the other hostages over the 11 months that Almog was held captive. "I warned all along that mistakes would eventually be made. 'Do something,' I begged. I was very afraid of a situation where they would close in on the terrorists, leaving them no choice but to do what they did."He recounted his appeals to decision-makers: "I begged everyone—members of Knesset, the government, the cabinet. I went to all of them. [Minister] Deri promised me he would act but did nothing." According to Sarusi, Prisoners of War and Missing Persons Coordinator Gal Hirsch, along with other officials, thwarted his attempts to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. "The Prime Minister’s entourage kept turning me away, saying he was busy. For ten months, there were many excuses. Gal Hirsch blocked my meeting with Netanyahu twice," he explained. "He bears significant responsibility for Almog's death. If I had managed to reach the Prime Minister, maybe I could have influenced him."According to him, the family was convinced that Almog would return home from captivity in Gaza. "We became stronger, and our belief was that there was no way the Almighty wouldn’t bring him back alive, healthy, and whole. All day, we were engaged only in charity, prayers, and acts of kindness," he recounted."Almost every month, we received a sign of life from Almog," Yigal added. "The second-to-last time, we learned that he had been shot in the arm and leg, with broken bones, but that he managed to recover without treatment."
Exiting stage, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant reportedly told families of hostages held in Gaza that Israel’s military has no reason to remain in the Strip.
According to reports in Hebrew media, Gallant told the families that he and IDF head Herzi Halevi were both skeptical of claims that there were security or diplomatic justifications for leaving troops in the Strip.
“I can tell you what there was not, security considerations. Me and the IDF chief said there was no security reason for remaining in the Philadelphi Corridor,” he is quoted saying by Channel 12 news, referring to a strip of land in Gaza.
“Netanyahu said that it was a diplomatic consideration, I’m telling you there was no diplomatic consideration,” he added, according to the report, which is seemingly based on accounts from families who attended the meeting.
“There’s nothing left in Gaza to do. The major achievements have been achieved,” he’s quoted saying. “I fear we are staying there just because there is a desire to be there.”
He also said the idea that Israel must remain in Gaza to create stability was “an inappropriate idea to risk soldiers’ lives over,” reports say.
The comments are the starkest yet highlighting differences between Gallant, who backed a ceasefire deal to bring hostages home, and Netanyahu, who fired his defense chief on Tuesday. Gallant’s ouster officially goes into effect in two hours.
Gaza and the South
- The IDF says it has expanded its ongoing ground operation in the northern Gaza Strip to the town of Beit Lahiya.
The Kfir Brigade began operations in Beit Lahiya in the past day, after the IDF says it had prior intelligence, and evidence on the ground, of Hamas members operating there.
Some 3,000 Palestinians are estimated to be residing in Beit Lahiya. The IDF says it is enabling the civilian population to safely evacuate the town as the troops operate against Hamas.
One soldier with the Kfir Brigade’s Nahshon Battalion was seriously wounded during the fighting yesterday.
Meanwhile, in northern Gaza’s Jabalia, the military says some 50 terror operatives were killed in the past day.
The Kfir Brigade began operations in Beit Lahiya in the past day, after the IDF says it had prior intelligence, and evidence on the ground, of Hamas members operating there.
Some 3,000 Palestinians are estimated to be residing in Beit Lahiya. The IDF says it is enabling the civilian population to safely evacuate the town as the troops operate against Hamas.
One soldier with the Kfir Brigade’s Nahshon Battalion was seriously wounded during the fighting yesterday.
Meanwhile, in northern Gaza’s Jabalia, the military says some 50 terror operatives were killed in the past day.
Northern Israel - Lebanon/Hizbollah/Syria
- Eight farmers were murdered last week by Hezbollah. It happened while they were working in the fields and plantations in the north and were exposed to the terrorist organization's rockets.
An Israeli teenager was killed by a Hezbollah rocket in the north on Wednesday, after the terror group also fired rockets twice throughout the day at central Israel, demonstrating it maintains the capability to launch long-range attacks even as the Israeli military pursues its ground operation in southern Lebanon.
A barrage of rockets at northern Israel Wednesday evening killed a teenager, whose body was only discovered hours later in Kibbutz Kfar Masaryk near Acre.
The Magen David Adom ambulance service said that a farmhand who found the body led medics to the site, where they located the victim suffering from severe shrapnel injuries and declared him dead at the scene.
He was later identified as Sivan Sade, an 18-year-old from the kibbutz who was working in the fields.
In the late morning rocket barrage targeting central Israel, the IDF said 10 projectiles were fired from Lebanon, with most intercepted, but one rocket struck an area near Ben Gurion Airport.
Debris from an intercepted rocket also hit an empty parked car in Ra’anana. No injuries were caused in the attack.
Sirens rang out again shortly after 4 p.m. east of Tel Aviv. The IDF said they were caused by a single rocket that was intercepted.
Some flights experienced delays and disruptions as a result of the rocket attacks. The Israel Airports Authority said the airport was “open and working normally for arrivals and departures.”
In a statement, Hezbollah claimed to have targeted the IDF’s Tzrifin base, located south of Ben Gurion Airport, in the morning attack. The bases house a number of IDF units, including several training schools and a logistics center.
Projectiles were also lobbed by the terror group at Israel throughout Tuesday, including a drone launched from Lebanon that set off sirens in Metula and Kfar Giladi and was shot down by the IDF, and two rockets fired from Lebanon that were intercepted after they triggered sirens in Haifa and surrounding communities.
On Wednesday evening, the IDF announced that Israeli fighter jets had struck a series of Hezbollah sites in Beirut’s southern suburbs earlier in the day. According to the IDF, the targets included Hezbollah command rooms, weapon depots and other infrastructure.
All of the Hezbollah sites were located “in the heart of a civilian population,” the military said, accusing the terror group of using human shields. Before the strikes, the IDF issued evacuation warnings to civilians in the area.
IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi said Wednesday that the military must prepare to expand the ongoing ground offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon.
“Alongside the diplomatic attempt to reach agreements in Lebanon, we need to continue formulating the plans for the continuation of the fighting in Lebanon, including expanding and deepening the [ground] maneuver, and we will activate these plans as needed,” Halevi said during an assessment, in remarks provided by the IDF.
He added that the IDF “continues to strike Hezbollah targets according to plan in the entire region, in southern Lebanon, the Beqaa Valley, Beirut and Syria.”
Meanwhile, Lebanese rescuers pulled 30 bodies out of the rubble after a late-night Israeli strike on an apartment building in the town of Barja, Lebanon’s Civil Defense service said Wednesday.
It remained unclear if there were any survivors or bodies still trapped under the rubble following the Tuesday night airstrike, which came without warning. There was no statement from the military and the strike’s intended target also was unknown.
The military has said that it only targets terror infrastructure in Lebanon and that Hezbollah routinely uses residential buildings to store arms.
Barja, a town just north of the port city of Sidon in central Lebanon, has not been regularly targeted so far in the conflict.
“Something pulled me hard, and then the explosion happened,” said Moussa Zahran, who was at home with his wife and son when the building was hit. He said he couldn’t see but started digging through the rubble until he found his wife and son — alive but injured — and pulled them out. Both are still in the hospital, he said.
Another building resident, Muhyiddin Al- Qalaaji, said he was at work when the strike happened and heard the news from his wife who called him frantically.
“There are many dead and injured,” he said as he carried out what he could salvage of the family’s belongings on Wednesday morning.
Civil defense official Mostafa Danaj said some of the neighbors have reported there are still people missing.
Amid the ongoing operation, the IDF on Wednesday called on civilians near four buildings in southern Lebanon’s Nabatieh to immediately evacuate ahead of airstrikes.
Col. Avichay Adraee, the IDF’s Arabic-language spokesman, published maps alongside the announcement, which call on civilians to distance themselves at least 500 meters from the sites.
“You are located near Hezbollah facilities and assets, against which the IDF will operate in the near future,” Adraee said.
Some 60 Hezbollah operatives were killed in a series of Israeli airstrikes on some 20 targets in northeastern Lebanon’s Baalbek and other areas north of the Litani River, the IDF says.
Separately, the military says that dozens more Hezbollah targets were struck by the Air Force in the past day, including a rocket launcher used in an attack on central Israel, weapon depots, and other infrastructure.
Troops of the 91st and 36th divisions, meanwhile, continue to operate in southern Lebanon. In the past day, the IDF says troops killed Hezbollah operatives and demolished sites belonging to the terror group, including rocket launchers and weapon depots.
The IDF said that Hezbollah fired more than 150 rockets at Israel throughout Wednesday, including a barrage of 25 rockets at the Western Galilee and the Haifa Bay area.
Meanwhile Israeli fighter jets carried out strikes in southern Beirut targeting Hezbollah infrastructure, following a day of long-range rocket fire on Israel, while the IDF chief of staff said the military must prepare to expand the Lebanon ground operation.
- A light aircraft was hit by shrapnel from an interception during one of the barrages from Lebanon.
An Israeli teenager was killed by a Hezbollah rocket in the north on Wednesday, after the terror group also fired rockets twice throughout the day at central Israel, demonstrating it maintains the capability to launch long-range attacks even as the Israeli military pursues its ground operation in southern Lebanon.
A barrage of rockets at northern Israel Wednesday evening killed a teenager, whose body was only discovered hours later in Kibbutz Kfar Masaryk near Acre.
The Magen David Adom ambulance service said that a farmhand who found the body led medics to the site, where they located the victim suffering from severe shrapnel injuries and declared him dead at the scene.
He was later identified as Sivan Sade, an 18-year-old from the kibbutz who was working in the fields.
In the late morning rocket barrage targeting central Israel, the IDF said 10 projectiles were fired from Lebanon, with most intercepted, but one rocket struck an area near Ben Gurion Airport.
Debris from an intercepted rocket also hit an empty parked car in Ra’anana. No injuries were caused in the attack.
Sirens rang out again shortly after 4 p.m. east of Tel Aviv. The IDF said they were caused by a single rocket that was intercepted.
Some flights experienced delays and disruptions as a result of the rocket attacks. The Israel Airports Authority said the airport was “open and working normally for arrivals and departures.”
In a statement, Hezbollah claimed to have targeted the IDF’s Tzrifin base, located south of Ben Gurion Airport, in the morning attack. The bases house a number of IDF units, including several training schools and a logistics center.
Projectiles were also lobbed by the terror group at Israel throughout Tuesday, including a drone launched from Lebanon that set off sirens in Metula and Kfar Giladi and was shot down by the IDF, and two rockets fired from Lebanon that were intercepted after they triggered sirens in Haifa and surrounding communities.
On Wednesday evening, the IDF announced that Israeli fighter jets had struck a series of Hezbollah sites in Beirut’s southern suburbs earlier in the day. According to the IDF, the targets included Hezbollah command rooms, weapon depots and other infrastructure.
All of the Hezbollah sites were located “in the heart of a civilian population,” the military said, accusing the terror group of using human shields. Before the strikes, the IDF issued evacuation warnings to civilians in the area.
IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi said Wednesday that the military must prepare to expand the ongoing ground offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon.
“Alongside the diplomatic attempt to reach agreements in Lebanon, we need to continue formulating the plans for the continuation of the fighting in Lebanon, including expanding and deepening the [ground] maneuver, and we will activate these plans as needed,” Halevi said during an assessment, in remarks provided by the IDF.
He added that the IDF “continues to strike Hezbollah targets according to plan in the entire region, in southern Lebanon, the Beqaa Valley, Beirut and Syria.”
Meanwhile, Lebanese rescuers pulled 30 bodies out of the rubble after a late-night Israeli strike on an apartment building in the town of Barja, Lebanon’s Civil Defense service said Wednesday.
It remained unclear if there were any survivors or bodies still trapped under the rubble following the Tuesday night airstrike, which came without warning. There was no statement from the military and the strike’s intended target also was unknown.
The military has said that it only targets terror infrastructure in Lebanon and that Hezbollah routinely uses residential buildings to store arms.
Barja, a town just north of the port city of Sidon in central Lebanon, has not been regularly targeted so far in the conflict.
“Something pulled me hard, and then the explosion happened,” said Moussa Zahran, who was at home with his wife and son when the building was hit. He said he couldn’t see but started digging through the rubble until he found his wife and son — alive but injured — and pulled them out. Both are still in the hospital, he said.
Another building resident, Muhyiddin Al- Qalaaji, said he was at work when the strike happened and heard the news from his wife who called him frantically.
“There are many dead and injured,” he said as he carried out what he could salvage of the family’s belongings on Wednesday morning.
Civil defense official Mostafa Danaj said some of the neighbors have reported there are still people missing.
Amid the ongoing operation, the IDF on Wednesday called on civilians near four buildings in southern Lebanon’s Nabatieh to immediately evacuate ahead of airstrikes.
Col. Avichay Adraee, the IDF’s Arabic-language spokesman, published maps alongside the announcement, which call on civilians to distance themselves at least 500 meters from the sites.
“You are located near Hezbollah facilities and assets, against which the IDF will operate in the near future,” Adraee said.
Some 60 Hezbollah operatives were killed in a series of Israeli airstrikes on some 20 targets in northeastern Lebanon’s Baalbek and other areas north of the Litani River, the IDF says.
Separately, the military says that dozens more Hezbollah targets were struck by the Air Force in the past day, including a rocket launcher used in an attack on central Israel, weapon depots, and other infrastructure.
Troops of the 91st and 36th divisions, meanwhile, continue to operate in southern Lebanon. In the past day, the IDF says troops killed Hezbollah operatives and demolished sites belonging to the terror group, including rocket launchers and weapon depots.
The IDF said that Hezbollah fired more than 150 rockets at Israel throughout Wednesday, including a barrage of 25 rockets at the Western Galilee and the Haifa Bay area.
Meanwhile Israeli fighter jets carried out strikes in southern Beirut targeting Hezbollah infrastructure, following a day of long-range rocket fire on Israel, while the IDF chief of staff said the military must prepare to expand the Lebanon ground operation.
A Cessna 172 light aircraft was hit this morning (Wednesday) while in the air by fragments from an interception during a Hezbollah rocket launch from Lebanon towards central Israel. At the time, two crew members—a pilot and a trainee—were on board and landed safely. The aircraft sustained damage to the fuselage and wing.
"We were hit by shrapnel in the air," recalled flight instructor Tamar in a conversation with Kan News. "Luckily, the shrapnel was small—it could have ended less favorably."
According to protocol, which was emphasized to pilots and air crews during the war, in the event of rocket fire, pilots are instructed to remain in the air and not attempt to land, based on the assumption that the safest place for an aircraft is in the air. This is also why, at times, during rocket fire towards central Israel, air traffic at Ben Gurion Airport is halted until the barrages and interceptions have ceased.
In her conversation with Kan News, flight instructor Tamar recounted the incident: "We were hit by shrapnel in the air. Luckily, it was small. It could have ended less favorably."
This morning, Tamar took off with a trainee pilot for a routine flight in the Herzliya area, when Hezbollah launched a barrage of 10 rockets towards central Israel and the Sharon region. "At the time, I didn’t feel anything, nor did the trainee with me. I didn’t know it happened until after we landed. Later, they sent me photos from the field, and we saw the damage. The impact didn’t affect airflow or control operation. Only later did I see the Home Front Command alerts about the rocket fire, and it dawned on me. We didn’t see any barrages or explosions in the air. It was a very strange situation," she recounted.
Overnight, Israeli fighter jets struck a series of Hezbollah targets in Beirut, the IDF says.
According to the military, the targets included Hezbollah command rooms and other military infrastructure.
The Hezbollah sites were located “in the heart of a civilian population,” the military says, accusing the terror group of using human shields.
Before the strikes, the IDF issued evacuation warnings to civilians in the area.
West Bank and Jerusalem and Terror attacks within Israel
- Police say border cops shot driver who accelerated at them in attempted ramming
Police say border cops shot a suspect who attempted to carry out a ramming attack in a West Bank town outside of Jerusalem.
According to police, the suspect accelerated his vehicle toward officers in Anata, who opened fire and “neutralized” him after he ignored their calls to stop.
No police were injured. There is no immediate word on the suspect’s condition.
Police say border cops shot a suspect who attempted to carry out a ramming attack in a West Bank town outside of Jerusalem.
According to police, the suspect accelerated his vehicle toward officers in Anata, who opened fire and “neutralized” him after he ignored their calls to stop.
No police were injured. There is no immediate word on the suspect’s condition.
- Drone strike targets gunmen in West Bank’s Tulkarem, IDF says
The IDF says it carried out a drone strike against a group of gunmen in the West Bank city of Tulkarem a short while ago. Further details will be provided later, it adds.
The IDF says it carried out a drone strike against a group of gunmen in the West Bank city of Tulkarem a short while ago. Further details will be provided later, it adds.
Some 60 Hezbollah operatives were killed in a series of Israeli airstrikes on some 20 targets in northeastern Lebanon’s Baalbek and other areas north of the Litani River, the IDF says.
Separately, the military says that dozens more Hezbollah targets were struck by the Air Force in the past day, including a rocket launcher used in an attack on central Israel, weapon depots, and other infrastructure.
Troops of the 91st and 36th divisions, meanwhile, continue to operate in southern Lebanon. In the past day, the IDF says troops killed Hezbollah operatives and demolished sites belonging to the terror group, including rocket launchers and weapon depots.
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Some 60 Hezbollah operatives were killed in a series of Israeli airstrikes on some 20 targets in northeastern Lebanon’s Baalbek and other areas north of the Litani River, the IDF says.
Separately, the military says that dozens more Hezbollah targets were struck by the Air Force in the past day, including a rocket launcher used in an attack on central Israel, weapon depots, and other infrastructure.
Troops of the 91st and 36th divisions, meanwhile, continue to operate in southern Lebanon. In the past day, the IDF says troops killed Hezbollah operatives and demolished sites belonging to the terror group, including rocket launchers and weapon depots.
Politics and the War (general news)
- Thousands in Jerusalem protest Netanyahu’s firing of Gallant for second night
Einav Zangauker, Yehuda Cohen join silent sit-in outside PM’s residence; former head of religious boys high school delivers plea for Haredim to enlist at protest outside Knesset.
Thousands of Israelis gathered in Jerusalem and at dozens of locations around Israel on Wednesday evening as they geared up for a second night of protests after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fired Defense Minister Yoav Gallant a day earlier.
In Jerusalem, demonstrators gathered near the Knesset as they demanded that Netanyahu rescind the decision, which will come into effect on Thursday evening, 48 hours after the premier handed Gallant a one-sentence letter informing him of his dismissal.
The prime minister said that he had fired the defense minister, a longtime rival within the Likud Party, due to mutual distrust that Netanyahu said “helped the enemy.”The move was largely seen by critics, however, as motivated by political considerations, including efforts to pass legislation exempting ultra-Orthodox men from mandatory military service, which Gallant had opposed.
Spontaneous protests with tens of thousands of participants erupted Tuesday night following Gallant’s ouster, including chaotic demonstrations that shut down major highways in Tel Aviv and near Jerusalem, but drew far smaller crowds than massive rallies sparked by Netanyahu’s first attempt to fire Gallant in March 2023.
Organizers were hoping to draw larger crowds on Wednesday, planning a more polished event where activists protested in support of Gallant and many of the issues he had split with Netanyahu on.
At the Jerusalem protest, activists called for a deal to release hostages held in Gaza, urged the cancellation of a planned bill enshrining draft exemptions for ultra-Orthodox yeshiva students in law and demanded a State Commission of Inquiry into the failures surrounding the October 7 Hamas terror onslaught.
The three issues were highlighted by Gallant on Tuesday night as the main areas of disagreement with Netanyahu that ultimately led to his dismissal. A Channel 12 poll on Wednesday night found that 55% of Israelis were opposed to the firing of Gallant, with 32% in favor. Thirteen percent had no opinion. Rabbi Jeremy Stavisky, the former principal of the Himmelfarb High School for religious boys, addressed the crowd outside the Knesset with an impassioned plea for Haredi men to enlist in the IDF and complete the mandatory military service that is required of them.
Stavisky’s son-in-law Yinon Fleischman was killed when a tank overturned on the border of northern Israel last October.
“Has morality disappeared from our religious life?” asked Stavisky. “Every time I see the cynical ‘we will die and not enlist’ sign, an image of my son-in-law Yinon flashes before my eyes.”
He questioned the motives of the parties in the coalition that have lent support to the two ultra-Orthodox parties in their efforts to preserve the exemption of ultra-Orthodox males from military service after the High Court ruled earlier this year that there was no longer any legal framework for doing so.
“How has the Religious Zionism party neglected the Torah of Rav Kook?” he asked, referring to one of the founders of the religious Zionist movement. Former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon also took to the main stage outside the Knesset, voicing disbelief over the bombshell dismissal of Gallant.
“Who would have thought that the prime minister would replace an experienced defense minister with an inexperienced one during a never-ending war on seven fronts in order to preserve his coalition?” Ya’alon wondered.
Ya’alon, who served as defense minister under Netanyahu between 2013-2016, also addressed the ongoing investigation into illicit access to IDF intel and leaks from the Prime Minister’s Office, implying that Netanyahu had directly overseen efforts to sabotage any potential hostage deal “so that [Finance Minister Bezalel] Smotrich and [National Security Minister Itamar] Ben Gvir don’t break up the coalition.”
Following the speeches outside the Knesset, protesters set out toward Netanyahu’s private residence on Azza Street, where demonstrators were taking part in a sit-in protest to call for a deal to release the hostages. Dressed in white and sitting silently on the ground, participants at the sit-in were in stark contrast to the louder, more boisterous protests elsewhere in the city.
The sit-in was attended by Einav Zangauker, whose son Matan Zangauker was abducted from his home in Kibbutz Nir Oz, and Yehuda Cohen, father of Nimrod Cohen, who was abducted from Kibbutz Nahal Oz. Applause and chants of “You are not alone!” welcomed the two parents as they arrived at the sit-in on Wednesday evening. Link
Einav Zangauker, Yehuda Cohen join silent sit-in outside PM’s residence; former head of religious boys high school delivers plea for Haredim to enlist at protest outside Knesset.
Thousands of Israelis gathered in Jerusalem and at dozens of locations around Israel on Wednesday evening as they geared up for a second night of protests after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fired Defense Minister Yoav Gallant a day earlier.
In Jerusalem, demonstrators gathered near the Knesset as they demanded that Netanyahu rescind the decision, which will come into effect on Thursday evening, 48 hours after the premier handed Gallant a one-sentence letter informing him of his dismissal.
The prime minister said that he had fired the defense minister, a longtime rival within the Likud Party, due to mutual distrust that Netanyahu said “helped the enemy.”
The move was largely seen by critics, however, as motivated by political considerations, including efforts to pass legislation exempting ultra-Orthodox men from mandatory military service, which Gallant had opposed.
Spontaneous protests with tens of thousands of participants erupted Tuesday night following Gallant’s ouster, including chaotic demonstrations that shut down major highways in Tel Aviv and near Jerusalem, but drew far smaller crowds than massive rallies sparked by Netanyahu’s first attempt to fire Gallant in March 2023.
Organizers were hoping to draw larger crowds on Wednesday, planning a more polished event where activists protested in support of Gallant and many of the issues he had split with Netanyahu on.
At the Jerusalem protest, activists called for a deal to release hostages held in Gaza, urged the cancellation of a planned bill enshrining draft exemptions for ultra-Orthodox yeshiva students in law and demanded a State Commission of Inquiry into the failures surrounding the October 7 Hamas terror onslaught.
The three issues were highlighted by Gallant on Tuesday night as the main areas of disagreement with Netanyahu that ultimately led to his dismissal. A Channel 12 poll on Wednesday night found that 55% of Israelis were opposed to the firing of Gallant, with 32% in favor. Thirteen percent had no opinion. Rabbi Jeremy Stavisky, the former principal of the Himmelfarb High School for religious boys, addressed the crowd outside the Knesset with an impassioned plea for Haredi men to enlist in the IDF and complete the mandatory military service that is required of them.
Stavisky’s son-in-law Yinon Fleischman was killed when a tank overturned on the border of northern Israel last October.
“Has morality disappeared from our religious life?” asked Stavisky. “Every time I see the cynical ‘we will die and not enlist’ sign, an image of my son-in-law Yinon flashes before my eyes.”
He questioned the motives of the parties in the coalition that have lent support to the two ultra-Orthodox parties in their efforts to preserve the exemption of ultra-Orthodox males from military service after the High Court ruled earlier this year that there was no longer any legal framework for doing so.
“How has the Religious Zionism party neglected the Torah of Rav Kook?” he asked, referring to one of the founders of the religious Zionist movement. Former defense minister Moshe Ya’alon also took to the main stage outside the Knesset, voicing disbelief over the bombshell dismissal of Gallant.
“Who would have thought that the prime minister would replace an experienced defense minister with an inexperienced one during a never-ending war on seven fronts in order to preserve his coalition?” Ya’alon wondered.
Ya’alon, who served as defense minister under Netanyahu between 2013-2016, also addressed the ongoing investigation into illicit access to IDF intel and leaks from the Prime Minister’s Office, implying that Netanyahu had directly overseen efforts to sabotage any potential hostage deal “so that [Finance Minister Bezalel] Smotrich and [National Security Minister Itamar] Ben Gvir don’t break up the coalition.”
Following the speeches outside the Knesset, protesters set out toward Netanyahu’s private residence on Azza Street, where demonstrators were taking part in a sit-in protest to call for a deal to release the hostages. Dressed in white and sitting silently on the ground, participants at the sit-in were in stark contrast to the louder, more boisterous protests elsewhere in the city.
The sit-in was attended by Einav Zangauker, whose son Matan Zangauker was abducted from his home in Kibbutz Nir Oz, and Yehuda Cohen, father of Nimrod Cohen, who was abducted from Kibbutz Nahal Oz. Applause and chants of “You are not alone!” welcomed the two parents as they arrived at the sit-in on Wednesday evening. Link
Israeli Back Channel Negotiator Gershon Baskin on Gaza War, Hamas Talks, and Path to Peace
November 6, 2024 04:57:39 pm
Gershon Baskin, a prominent Israeli peace negotiator who is currently conducting back-channel negotiations between Hamas and Israel to bring an end to the current offensive in Gaza, spoke to JURIST Senior Editor for Long Form Content Pitasanna Shanmugathas about the complex obstacles preventing a ceasefire amid the conflict’s expansion into Lebanon and Iran, his unique correspondence with “the Palestinian Nelson Mandela” Marwan Barghouti, and how the period between Trump’s presidential re-election win and January 20th could be crucial for President Biden’s legacy in ending the war.
This interview has been lightly edited for clarity and concision.
Pitasanna Shanmugathas: Mr. Baskin, you are a back-channel negotiator between Israeli and Palestinian officials and you were doing this prior to October 7th, and you have continued doing it since then. Could you talk about how you first became involved in back-channel negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians?
Gershon Baskin: Between Israelis and Palestinians, I’ve been doing this for 46 years. I believe that if Israel aims to be the democratic nation-state of the Jewish people, it cannot continue ruling over Palestinians while denying them freedom and self-determination.
At 22, I lived in a Palestinian village in Israel for two years, doing volunteer work and immersing myself in the community. Eighteen years ago, after Hamas abducted an Israeli soldier [Gilad Shalit], I began efforts to establish dialogue between Hamas and Israelis. Though initial efforts were vetoed by Hamas leadership, I built connections that later allowed communication channels to open.
Since then, starting in July 2006, I’ve engaged with Hamas leadership, negotiating ceasefires and hostage releases, working to ease the Gaza siege, and striving to prevent further violence. Prior to October 7, I had negotiated to secure an Israeli soldier’s release after five years in captivity and sought a long-term ceasefire — negotiations that ceased when Israel assassinated Hamas leader Ahmed Jabari.
Shanmugathas: Since October 7th, you’ve conducted multiple rounds of back-channel negotiations between Israel and Hamas. Could you talk about the issues at the center of these negotiations and why, to date, they have not been successful?
Gershon Baskin: Bottom line is that Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu, whose been more or less in office since 2009, had a strategy that he was implementing to prevent the Palestinians from having freedom and liberation in a state of their own. Netanyahu’s decision spelled itself out in a way that kept Hamas in power in Gaza and kept an illegitimate or delegitimized Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. This way, Netanyahu was able to say to the Israeli people in the world, we want peace, but we have no one to negotiate with. Hamas wants to destroy us, and the Palestinian Authority leader doesn’t speak for all the Palestinians. That strategy worked until, more or less, October 7th, when it blew up in our faces last year. It turns out that you can’t occupy another people for 56 years or confine 2.3 million people to a territory like Gaza, with severe poverty, and expect to have quiet negotiations with Hamas.
I think that peace needs to happen between the Israeli and Palestinian people, but it has to be done by Hamas, by the leadership of the Palestinian people in the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
The situation is now truly horrendous. Over the last year, with over 1,000 people killed by Hamas inside Israel on October 7th and 250 people taken hostage into Gaza, there remain 101 Israelis and foreign workers being held hostage inside Gaza. We don’t know how many of them are alive and how many are dead. And the negotiations are on trying to release them, but under the understanding that there is no release of those hostages from Hamas without ending the war, without Israel withdrawing from Gaza, without Israel agreeing to release Palestinian prisoners from Israeli prisons. There’s a package deal that needs to be done.
Where it stands right now is that unless Hamas declares that they’re also willing to give up control of Gaza after the war, then this war will just go on. More people will be killed in Gaza, more Israeli hostages will be killed, and there is no end in sight.
My understanding is what I’ve been told by Hamas leaders, that they are willing to give up governance in Gaza and transfer it to a civilian, professional, technocratic government that they won’t be part of. That needs to be materialized by Hamas into direct statements that they tell the official mediators, which are the government of Qatar and the government of Egypt. And that needs to be conveyed to the Israelis and of course to the White House, so that President Biden, after election day on November 6th, until January 20th, he remains in office as a free agent. He will be able to use [his] power or the presidency to try and influence the Israeli prime minister to agree to a deal.
Shanmugathas: I think many people suspect that Israel’s ultimate aim in Gaza is to simply ethnically cleanse the land of Palestinians. And reports have emerged that Israel is planning to annex Northern Gaza. So how realistic is it, given this pretext, that a genuine ceasefire can be achieved?
Baskin: In Israel, Prime Minister Netanyahu is ultimately the primary decision-maker, even within a democratic framework. While he has opposed extreme right-wing voices in his government who seek to annex Gaza, build new settlements, or expel Palestinians, he has also created obstacles for mediators trying to negotiate a ceasefire. Netanyahu’s political interests may be at play in prolonging the conflict, as ending the war could lead to increased scrutiny. Once the conflict is over, calls for a national inquiry, focus on his corruption trial, and pressure for new elections would likely intensify.
To reach a resolution, several steps are needed. First, Hamas must clearly communicate to Qatari and Egyptian mediators its readiness for a ceasefire with Israel, commit to releasing 101 hostages, and agree to transfer governance, security, and control over weapons. Next, the United States needs to press Israel to accept a deal, allowing safe passage for any departing Hamas leaders and integrating those who remain into a new Palestinian security force. This force, established by a Palestinian civilian government, would work to restore order and stability.
International peacekeepers, including Arab and other forces, could help enforce the peace and prevent future conflicts, supporting the new Palestinian government in maintaining security. To rebuild Gaza, billions in international aid will be necessary, but funding won’t materialize if Hamas stays in power. Hamas is aware of this, recognizing that for Gaza to receive aid, they must step back from governance. This complex plan would require strong international cooperation and commitment, with the aim of creating a foundation for sustainable peace and stability in Gaza and beyond.
Shanmugathas: Do you think US President Joe Biden has a red line regarding what Israel cannot do, which if crossed, would result in the US cutting off the aid that has been so essential towards Israel’s offensive in Gaza?
Baskin: This past week, Biden stated that if Israel doesn’t allow a significant amount of humanitarian aid into Gaza, the United States will cut off certain forms of support for Israel. This is the first time Biden has made such a statement. After November 5th, election day, regardless of the outcome, Biden will be a free agent until January 20th. During this time, he will need to consider his legacy. History will not remember Biden primarily for the infrastructure bill; he will be remembered either as the “Gaza war president” or as the president who ended the war in Gaza and freed the hostages. His legacy will be determined during this short period from election day until he leaves office on January 20th.
Shanmugathas: As a Jewish person who lives in Israel, can you talk about the enormous support that the Israeli domestic population has voiced for Israel’s offensive in Gaza?
Baskin: The Israeli public is still traumatized by the events of October 7th last year, the worst day in Jewish history since the Holocaust. People are still strongly affected by a sense of needing revenge and by the pain they are suffering. Many in Israel are reliving October 7th every day, unable to move beyond it. Similarly, Palestinians have experienced what they consider the greatest tragedy since 1948, and some even say that what has happened over the past year is worse than the events of 1948.
Thus, we have two traumatized populations, each responding to reality through the lens of their trauma. Israeli soldiers are being killed daily in Lebanon and Gaza, fueling a pervasive sense of threat, particularly from Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is perceived as seeking Israel’s destruction. This intense environment means people are not necessarily responding rationally, coherently, or logically — they are reacting very emotionally to their circumstances
Shanmugathas: Arguably, the most popular living Palestinian is Marwan Barghouti, often called the “Palestinian Nelson Mandela.” Polls conducted both before October 7th and most recently in March 2024 show that if a presidential election were held in Palestine, Barghouti would win by a double-digit margin over Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority president, and Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, now deceased. For the readers of JURIST who may be unaware, could you explain who Marwan Barghouti is and why he is held in such high regard by Palestinians?
Baskin: Marwan Barghouti is seen as a symbol of the Palestinian struggle by the Palestinian people. He was an elected parliamentarian, the number one person in the Fatah party in the Palestinian parliament. The last time they held elections when Marwan was elected was a very long time ago.
Marwan was arrested in 2002 for being one of the leaders of the Second Intifada. And he was accused by Israel of being responsible for the deaths of many Israelis. He was convicted and is serving five consecutive life sentences plus 40 years.
As such, Marwan being in prison all these years is seen as this symbolic figure. He came from the Fatah movement. He was one of the young people who led it, and he remains that symbol. His campaign for his release has been strong both inside of Palestine and around the world. And as you said, he beats every potential Palestinian leader in any elections that might be held. I’ll just remind you that Palestine hasn’t held elections since 2006.
And Mahmoud Abbas, the current president, who’s 89 years old, is in the 18th year of a four-year term and enjoys little legitimacy, if any. So, anyone can beat Mahmoud Abbas, but Marwan Barghouti is the chosen favorite of every Palestinian. He is kind of a black box, though. We really don’t know what’s inside of that box because he has been silent most of these years. He hasn’t spoken out and people don’t really know what he stands for. The reality of Marwan might be very good. On the other hand, it might not be very good.
And Marwan Barghouti, he will probably be released in a deal with Hamas when that deal is made. Whether he’ll be allowed to stay in Palestine, we don’t know. The Israelis may demand that he be deported abroad. And I think that if Marwan is given the choice of staying in prison or going and living in the United Arab Emirates, he will choose to go and live in the United Arab Emirates. But we will see. He has a role to play in the future of Palestine. And he is the most symbolic leader of the Palestinian people.
Shanmugathas: And you had a personal relationship with Marwan Barghouti, and I believe that continued even during his incarceration, is that right?
Baskin: Yeah, I’ve been corresponding with him over the last years. Our correspondence continued until the beginning of the war on October 7th of last year, when Marwan, to the best of my knowledge, has been transferred five different times to different prisons in Israel. He has been held in solitary confinement for long periods of time.
I understand that he has been physically tortured in prison. His condition is unknown. He is not allowed, like other security prisoners, he is not allowed family visits. His lawyer, I think since the beginning of the war, more than a year ago, has only seen him three times. So, we really don’t know what his situation is.
Shanmugathas: And could you talk about what kind of correspondence you had with Marwan Barghouti, what kind of insight you gained from that correspondence?
Baskin: Yes. This began more intensively about two years ago, and I wanted to understand Marwan’s views on various issues. We corresponded back and forth, though I can’t disclose the content as I didn’t have permission to do so. Our correspondence was confidential, but what I gathered from him is, firstly, that he still strongly supports a two-state solution, which surprised me.
He believes a solution to the Palestinian issue must be found within a regional framework, where both Israelis and Palestinians can achieve stability, security, economic growth, and hope for a real resolution. While he reserves the right of the Palestinian people to armed struggle, if necessary, it is not his preferred option. He emphasized that Palestinians have a right to resist occupation by any means, including armed struggle, but reiterated that his choice is diplomacy, political engagement, and negotiation. He is a man of principle — that’s what I understand from him. However, since these discussions aren’t public, I would feel more confident in these being his official positions if he could make these statements publicly.
Shanmugathas: It has been reported in numerous news outlets that Hamas’ top demand in any prisoner exchange with Israel is the release of Marwan Barghouti. Firstly, why does Hamas want Barghouti released, even though he does not share the same views as Hamas? You mentioned that you believe it’s likely Israel will agree to release him in a prisoner exchange. I’m personally doubtful about that, given Barghouti’s strong legitimacy and how Barghouti cannot be corrupted by the Israelis, compared to someone like Abbas. Could you elaborate on this?
Baskin: Sure. Before October 7th, there were 559 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences or more than one life sentence, and Barghouti is among them. The prisoners that Hamas is most interested in freeing are these 559 individuals; they will be at the top of Hamas’s list, and there will likely be resistance from Israel regarding their release. Israel has demanded the veto of 60 to 65 names in negotiations, and I assume that Israel would want to veto the release of Marwan Barghouti.
I think Hamas is very interested in showcasing their victory by securing the release of prisoners serving the longest sentences, which would be a significant achievement for them. They will likely be very demanding in negotiations. Barghouti is just one of about 20 prisoners who could be seen as symbols of Palestinian resistance — or, from the Israeli perspective, as terrorists responsible for the deaths of many Israelis. This will lead to significant arguments between Israel, Hamas, and the mediators over who should be freed and the terms of their release.
Marwan is not the number one person on Hamas’ list, but he is among the top individuals they want to secure as a victory for the Palestinian people. They understand that freeing prisoners like Marwan Barghouti will be viewed very positively by Palestinians, regardless of their political affiliations.
Shanmugathas: It has been reported that Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority leader, has advised Israel to reject any offers from Hamas that would result in the release of Marwan Barghouti. Is this true to your knowledge?
Baskin: I don’t know. I haven’t seen that reported anywhere. I don’t know if that’s true. That sounds like some kind of political spin of people who are against Mahmoud Abbas.
Shanmugathas: Israel’s offensive in Gaza has now extended to Lebanon as part of its conflict with Hezbollah. Recently, Israel killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. In your view, what is Israel’s goal in Lebanon? And do you think Israel will achieve that goal?
Baskin: Right. First, I want to clarify what you said: Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8th, the day after Israel was attacked by Hamas. Thus, the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah began with Hezbollah expressing support for the people of Gaza and Hamas in their attack on Israel.
For most of the past year, it has been a war of attrition, with Hezbollah sending rockets and drones into Israel and Israel responding with rockets and drones targeting Lebanon. The situation has escalated out of control, especially after Israel assassinated the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah.
Israel has targeted the top command of Hezbollah’s military leadership and many political leaders, including the individual originally appointed as the second-in-command after Hassan Nasrallah. This conflict has escalated to the point where northern Israel has seen significant destruction, leaving about 100,000 Israelis homeless, while southern Lebanon has also suffered, with thousands of homes and villages being destroyed by Israel.
Israel discovered an extensive underground infrastructure in southern Lebanon, including homes, which Hezbollah planned to use for a cross-border attack against Israel, attempting to replicate what Hamas did in southern Israel on October 7th. Israel is focused on destroying that infrastructure while also targeting Hezbollah sites around Beirut, particularly in Dahiya and other neighborhoods, to mitigate the threat posed by Hamas.
This conflict has spilled over into Yemen and [Iran], leading to ballistic missile attacks by Iran against Israel, which Israel has managed to deflect with the help of its neighbors.
However, the situation remains very dangerous and has the potential to escalate further.
Shanmugathas: So, it sounds like you support Israel’s so-called “counterterrorism” operations in Lebanon?
Baskin: No, I’m not [implying] that at all. I believe these issues need to be addressed diplomatically. There are no military solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or to the conflict between Israel and Lebanon. In fact, Israel and Lebanon don’t have a real conflict; there is a border issue that can be easily resolved.
Shanmugathas: While he was alive, it was reported that Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon, rejected offers for a ceasefire with Israel unless Israel ended its offensive in Gaza. Do you believe that to be true? Even after Nasrallah’s assassination, do you think Hezbollah will continue to refuse any ceasefire with Israel unless it is tied to Israel ending its offensive in Gaza?
Baskin: I think before the killing of Nasrallah, it was definitely true. We saw that last November when there was a week-long ceasefire, that Hezbollah kept a ceasefire in the north without it being negotiated. When the war in Gaza stopped, the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel also ceased. I’m not sure that’s the case today. If the war in Gaza ends, would Hezbollah stop its military actions against Israel? I hope it would.
I know that the United States, France, and others are trying to negotiate between Israel and Hezbollah for the reinstatement of UN Security Council Resolution 1701. For the time being, Lebanon has rejected Israel’s demands, which are essentially twofold: first, Israel’s right to re-enter Lebanon if it discovers the rebuilding of infrastructure aimed at attacking Israel from the south, and second, Israel’s right to continue its flyovers over Lebanon, which violate Lebanese sovereignty. The Lebanese side rejects both of these demands.
These negotiations will continue, and hopefully, they will lead to a solution that guarantees Israel won’t violate Lebanon’s sovereignty. Lebanon needs to become an independent sovereign nation, not controlled by the militia of Hezbollah, but governed by the people of Lebanon, who deserve the opportunity to rebuild their country free from the constraints that Hezbollah has imposed for so many years. I hope for a reinstatement of peace and calm in the north and a movement toward resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Shanmugathas: Tensions between Israel and Iran have escalated significantly over the past several months and weeks. Analysts have speculated that Israel’s aim is to draw the United States into a broader war with Iran. What are your thoughts on that?
Baskin: Well, obviously, the United States is not taking the bait and is not being drawn into a wider war with Iran. The Americans have assured Israel that they have its back if attacked by Iran. They have sent anti-rocket systems to support Israel’s air defenses. Additionally, the alliance between the United States and other Arab countries — Egypt, Jordan, the Emirates, and the Saudis — has contributed to defending Israel when it has been attacked by Iranian ballistic missiles.
The Iranian-Israeli conflict is not really about anything substantive other than the fact that the regime in Iran, led by the Ayatollahs, is committed to the destruction of Israel, and obviously, Israel will not allow that to happen. There is also the issue of whether Iran will develop a nuclear weapon, which they have been working on for over 30 years. Israel is doing everything it can to prevent this, along with the rest of the world, which does not want to see another nuclear nation, particularly in the Middle East.
The conflict between Israel and Iran also needs to be resolved. I believe the Iranian people, in general, would like a regime change. Someday they will be empowered to achieve that, as we saw almost happen in 2009, and it will likely happen in the future as well. The Iranian people deserve to be free from the regime that has them in such a dire situation. The Iranian economy is in ruins due to sanctions imposed by the international community because of their nuclear program. Overall, Iran is not in good shape, and I think the Iranian people would prefer a regime free from the Ayatollahs.
Shanmugathas: In terms of accountability for war crimes, once there is an end to the offensive in Gaza and a level of stability is achieved, questions about accountability will arise. The international Criminal Court (ICC) chief prosecutor has sought war crimes charges against Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. What are your thoughts on what accountability will look like in the post-conflict period?
Baskin: If we look back in history, there has been very little accountability in Israel, and it will continue to have impunity in the face of the international community unless there is a significant change in the current situation. The chief prosecutor of the ICC has requested warrants for the arrest of both Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, while also requesting warrants for the arrest of Ismail Haniyeh and Yahya Sinwar, both of whom are no longer alive.
I know there are talks behind the scenes about the possibility of dropping the request for warrants if Netanyahu agrees to end the war in Gaza and withdraw Israeli troops from the region. Usually, Israel addresses these claims of war crimes by having an independent judiciary that conducts its own investigations, which, according to the Rome Statute, enables Israel to avoid facing justice in international courts. However, we know that Netanyahu and his government have been working to undermine the independence of the Israeli judiciary, which could put Israel at risk of facing consequences in the ICC.
Shanmugathas: The international consensus for a durable solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict has been for two states along the pre-June 1967 lines, with minor mutual land swaps, East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine, and West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Do you believe that such a solution is still viable? Especially given what has happened post October 7th?
Baskin: Yeah, I think there is still no other solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Those who dream of a one-state solution are not living in reality, particularly after October 7th. Palestinians need freedom, independence, dignity, and self-determination.
They have previously agreed to live in a Palestinian state in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967, with adjustments to accommodate the realities that have developed over the last 56 years. That solution is still on the table and needs to be brought to fruition by the international community. All 193 member states of the United Nations recognize the state of Palestine, with about 151 or 152 of them already doing so.
While this doesn’t end the occupation, we need to remove the veto on Palestinian statehood from Israel. Additionally, we need to replace the current leaders; neither Netanyahu, Abbas, nor any Hamas leaders are capable or willing to negotiate this kind of solution. The Israeli and Palestinian people must confront the reality that if we don’t want this war to become just another in a long cycle of conflicts lasting 100 years, we need new leaders who can envision a different future.
We won’t forget the past; each side will remember the horrific actions of the other. However, we also need to recognize that even after this war, there will be 7 million Palestinian Arabs and 7 million Israeli Jews between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. They aren’t going anywhere, and they will have to figure out how to share this land in a way that enables both sides to have dignity, freedom, liberation, self-determination, and security.
Shanmugathas: What I found interesting is that if you speak with Palestinians on the ground, many of them feel they’ve had the two-state solution shoved down their throats to the point that they have lost faith in the notion of two states. However, the overwhelming majority of Palestinians support Marwan Barghouti, who is a vocal advocate of a two-state solution. I’ve always found that dichotomy quite intriguing.
Baskin: You’re right. I don’t think that Palestinians categorically reject the solution of two states. They want freedom and independence; they want equality, opportunity, and agency. What they do reject is the Oslo peace process, which was a 30-year endeavor that failed to achieve its goals and never had a clear, explicit endgame. They reject the idea of returning to a kind of open-ended negotiation that goes on forever without results.
However, I think if you ask people whether they would prefer to have freedom and independence in a Palestinian state next to Israel in five years or to continue the conflict, the overwhelming majority would choose the first option.
Shanmugathas: With respect to a just proposal for a two-state solution, what are your thoughts on the Clinton Parameters and the Geneva Initiative? Do you believe a two-state solution would eventually come along those lines?
Baskin: Yeah, those are more or less the lines that are going to happen. I can bring you up to date. Former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was brought together with a Palestinian colleague, Samer Sinjlawi, and Nasser al-Qudwa, who was the PLO representative at the United Nations for 17 years. He served as the Palestinian Authority’s foreign minister, is the nephew of Yasser Arafat, and was the chairman of the Yasser Arafat Foundation. In 2021, when elections were supposed to take place in May, Nasser al-Qudwa headed a political party supported by Marwan Barghouti.
In fact, Nasser al-Qudwa was number one on the list, and Marwan’s wife, Fatwa Barghouti, was number two. Nasser al-Qudwa and Ehud Olmert collaborated to draw up a plan aimed at ending the war in Gaza. This plan includes an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, replacing Hamas governance with a legitimate Palestinian authority that is organically linked to the Palestinian Authority but independent of Mahmoud Abbas. It proposes a two-state solution along the 1967 borders with mutually agreed-upon territorial swaps and a resolution for Jerusalem, where East Jerusalem would be the capital of Palestine and West Jerusalem would be the capital of Israel.
In the Old City of Jerusalem, which is less than one square kilometer and home to all the holy sites, there would be no exclusive sovereignty for either Israel or Palestine. Instead, a five-nation committee or governor would oversee the Old City, including the states of Israel and Palestine, along with three other nations, to ensure that all people can enjoy freedom of worship and respect for the holy places.
So, there is a solution on the table. It’s not a detailed plan, but they have outlined a vision during this period of war to demonstrate that there is a way out and a path forward. This provides a beacon of light and hope for all the people in this region that we can move beyond this conflict.
Shanmugathas: What are your thoughts on Donald Trump’s re-election win as President of the United States?
Baskin: Disaster for the United States and the world. We can hardly imagine what Trump [will] do. Regardless of the election results, Joe Biden still has 75 days to end the war in Gaza. Will Biden’s legacy be the President of the War in Gaza or the President who ended the War in Gaza? The election of Trump and the appointment of [Israel] Katz as Israeli Minister of Defense does not change the reality that to get all of the hostages home, the war in Gaza must end, Israel must withdraw from all of Gaza, Israel will have to release Palestinian prisoners, and Hamas will have to confirm that they are going to transfer the government in Gaza to a civilian, professional, technocratic council that Hamas is not part of.
Shanmugathas: With Trump’s presidential re-election win, how will this impact your negotiations with Hamas and Israel? Will Israel feel emboldened and now less inclined to seriously come to the table to end this war?
Baskin: Yes.
Shanmugathas: There have been numerous human rights reports that have concluded that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories constitutes apartheid. Interestingly, Noam Chomsky, the famous linguist and academic, has asserted that what Israel is doing in the occupied territories is actually “worse than apartheid.” Chomsky asserts that in the case of apartheid South Africa, the white minority needed the black labor force as a cheap source of labor for foreign corporations. South Africa created Bantustans, tried to get international recognition of them, tried to make the conditions somewhat livable; they needed the black population. In the case of Israel, however, Israel doesn’t want the Palestinian population. They would preferably like to expel them. So, in that sense, Chomsky argues what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid.
Baskin: I think you’re exaggerating. There are indeed parties and leaders in Israel who want to expel the Palestinians and conquer all the territory. However, the reality is that until October 7th, there were about 200,000 Palestinians from the West Bank who were working in Israel. Israel began a process a couple of years ago to allow Palestinians from Gaza to work in Israel, and there are about 17,000 of them crossing into Israel every day.
The West Bank economy is largely dependent on Israel. Of course, the occupation limits the growth of the Palestinian economy, and Palestinians do not have freedom; their land is taken from them, and illegal Israeli settlements are built there. There is no sense of justice whatsoever. In my view, comparing which form of apartheid is worse is a foolish argument. We need to eliminate any form of apartheid and discrimination and seek equality, peace, and justice. Therefore, raising the question of which apartheid is worse is not productive.
Shanmugathas: Chomsky is not arguing which apartheid is worse. What Chomsky is saying is that Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian Territories is much worse than apartheid as the term “apartheid” is defined under the Apartheid Convention.
Baskin: Yeah. Okay. He is entitled to his opinion. I think it’s a senseless argument and I think what we need to do is get rid of any form of apartheid and we need to seek justice and peace.
Shanmugathas: Are you able to talk about what you’re currently doing now in terms of back-channel negotiations?
Baskin: I’m trying to encourage the sides to reach an agreement that will enable us to end the war, bring back the hostages, change the governance in Gaza so that the people in Gaza have a chance of rebuilding with the support of the Arab world and the international community, and getting the Israelis to agree.
And, of course, what we want to ultimately see is a replacement of our government in Israel and a change of leadership in Palestine. And those are all issues that I’m working on together with colleagues and friends and partners both in Israel and in Palestine and around the world.
Shanmugathas: Thank you so much, Mr. Baskin, for speaking with JURIST.
Baskin: You’re very welcome. link
Israeli Back Channel Negotiator Gershon Baskin on Gaza War, Hamas Talks, and Path to Peace
November 6, 2024 04:57:39 pm
Gershon Baskin, a prominent Israeli peace negotiator who is currently conducting back-channel negotiations between Hamas and Israel to bring an end to the current offensive in Gaza, spoke to JURIST Senior Editor for Long Form Content Pitasanna Shanmugathas about the complex obstacles preventing a ceasefire amid the conflict’s expansion into Lebanon and Iran, his unique correspondence with “the Palestinian Nelson Mandela” Marwan Barghouti, and how the period between Trump’s presidential re-election win and January 20th could be crucial for President Biden’s legacy in ending the war.
This interview has been lightly edited for clarity and concision.
Pitasanna Shanmugathas: Mr. Baskin, you are a back-channel negotiator between Israeli and Palestinian officials and you were doing this prior to October 7th, and you have continued doing it since then. Could you talk about how you first became involved in back-channel negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians?
Gershon Baskin: Between Israelis and Palestinians, I’ve been doing this for 46 years. I believe that if Israel aims to be the democratic nation-state of the Jewish people, it cannot continue ruling over Palestinians while denying them freedom and self-determination.
At 22, I lived in a Palestinian village in Israel for two years, doing volunteer work and immersing myself in the community. Eighteen years ago, after Hamas abducted an Israeli soldier [Gilad Shalit], I began efforts to establish dialogue between Hamas and Israelis. Though initial efforts were vetoed by Hamas leadership, I built connections that later allowed communication channels to open.
Since then, starting in July 2006, I’ve engaged with Hamas leadership, negotiating ceasefires and hostage releases, working to ease the Gaza siege, and striving to prevent further violence. Prior to October 7, I had negotiated to secure an Israeli soldier’s release after five years in captivity and sought a long-term ceasefire — negotiations that ceased when Israel assassinated Hamas leader Ahmed Jabari.
Shanmugathas: Since October 7th, you’ve conducted multiple rounds of back-channel negotiations between Israel and Hamas. Could you talk about the issues at the center of these negotiations and why, to date, they have not been successful?
Gershon Baskin: Bottom line is that Israeli Prime Minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu, whose been more or less in office since 2009, had a strategy that he was implementing to prevent the Palestinians from having freedom and liberation in a state of their own. Netanyahu’s decision spelled itself out in a way that kept Hamas in power in Gaza and kept an illegitimate or delegitimized Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. This way, Netanyahu was able to say to the Israeli people in the world, we want peace, but we have no one to negotiate with. Hamas wants to destroy us, and the Palestinian Authority leader doesn’t speak for all the Palestinians. That strategy worked until, more or less, October 7th, when it blew up in our faces last year. It turns out that you can’t occupy another people for 56 years or confine 2.3 million people to a territory like Gaza, with severe poverty, and expect to have quiet negotiations with Hamas.
I think that peace needs to happen between the Israeli and Palestinian people, but it has to be done by Hamas, by the leadership of the Palestinian people in the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
The situation is now truly horrendous. Over the last year, with over 1,000 people killed by Hamas inside Israel on October 7th and 250 people taken hostage into Gaza, there remain 101 Israelis and foreign workers being held hostage inside Gaza. We don’t know how many of them are alive and how many are dead. And the negotiations are on trying to release them, but under the understanding that there is no release of those hostages from Hamas without ending the war, without Israel withdrawing from Gaza, without Israel agreeing to release Palestinian prisoners from Israeli prisons. There’s a package deal that needs to be done.
Where it stands right now is that unless Hamas declares that they’re also willing to give up control of Gaza after the war, then this war will just go on. More people will be killed in Gaza, more Israeli hostages will be killed, and there is no end in sight.
My understanding is what I’ve been told by Hamas leaders, that they are willing to give up governance in Gaza and transfer it to a civilian, professional, technocratic government that they won’t be part of. That needs to be materialized by Hamas into direct statements that they tell the official mediators, which are the government of Qatar and the government of Egypt. And that needs to be conveyed to the Israelis and of course to the White House, so that President Biden, after election day on November 6th, until January 20th, he remains in office as a free agent. He will be able to use [his] power or the presidency to try and influence the Israeli prime minister to agree to a deal.
Shanmugathas: I think many people suspect that Israel’s ultimate aim in Gaza is to simply ethnically cleanse the land of Palestinians. And reports have emerged that Israel is planning to annex Northern Gaza. So how realistic is it, given this pretext, that a genuine ceasefire can be achieved?
Baskin: In Israel, Prime Minister Netanyahu is ultimately the primary decision-maker, even within a democratic framework. While he has opposed extreme right-wing voices in his government who seek to annex Gaza, build new settlements, or expel Palestinians, he has also created obstacles for mediators trying to negotiate a ceasefire. Netanyahu’s political interests may be at play in prolonging the conflict, as ending the war could lead to increased scrutiny. Once the conflict is over, calls for a national inquiry, focus on his corruption trial, and pressure for new elections would likely intensify.
To reach a resolution, several steps are needed. First, Hamas must clearly communicate to Qatari and Egyptian mediators its readiness for a ceasefire with Israel, commit to releasing 101 hostages, and agree to transfer governance, security, and control over weapons. Next, the United States needs to press Israel to accept a deal, allowing safe passage for any departing Hamas leaders and integrating those who remain into a new Palestinian security force. This force, established by a Palestinian civilian government, would work to restore order and stability.
International peacekeepers, including Arab and other forces, could help enforce the peace and prevent future conflicts, supporting the new Palestinian government in maintaining security. To rebuild Gaza, billions in international aid will be necessary, but funding won’t materialize if Hamas stays in power. Hamas is aware of this, recognizing that for Gaza to receive aid, they must step back from governance. This complex plan would require strong international cooperation and commitment, with the aim of creating a foundation for sustainable peace and stability in Gaza and beyond.
Shanmugathas: Do you think US President Joe Biden has a red line regarding what Israel cannot do, which if crossed, would result in the US cutting off the aid that has been so essential towards Israel’s offensive in Gaza?
Baskin: This past week, Biden stated that if Israel doesn’t allow a significant amount of humanitarian aid into Gaza, the United States will cut off certain forms of support for Israel. This is the first time Biden has made such a statement. After November 5th, election day, regardless of the outcome, Biden will be a free agent until January 20th. During this time, he will need to consider his legacy. History will not remember Biden primarily for the infrastructure bill; he will be remembered either as the “Gaza war president” or as the president who ended the war in Gaza and freed the hostages. His legacy will be determined during this short period from election day until he leaves office on January 20th.
Shanmugathas: As a Jewish person who lives in Israel, can you talk about the enormous support that the Israeli domestic population has voiced for Israel’s offensive in Gaza?
Baskin: The Israeli public is still traumatized by the events of October 7th last year, the worst day in Jewish history since the Holocaust. People are still strongly affected by a sense of needing revenge and by the pain they are suffering. Many in Israel are reliving October 7th every day, unable to move beyond it. Similarly, Palestinians have experienced what they consider the greatest tragedy since 1948, and some even say that what has happened over the past year is worse than the events of 1948.
Thus, we have two traumatized populations, each responding to reality through the lens of their trauma. Israeli soldiers are being killed daily in Lebanon and Gaza, fueling a pervasive sense of threat, particularly from Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is perceived as seeking Israel’s destruction. This intense environment means people are not necessarily responding rationally, coherently, or logically — they are reacting very emotionally to their circumstances
Shanmugathas: Arguably, the most popular living Palestinian is Marwan Barghouti, often called the “Palestinian Nelson Mandela.” Polls conducted both before October 7th and most recently in March 2024 show that if a presidential election were held in Palestine, Barghouti would win by a double-digit margin over Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority president, and Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, now deceased. For the readers of JURIST who may be unaware, could you explain who Marwan Barghouti is and why he is held in such high regard by Palestinians?
Baskin: Marwan Barghouti is seen as a symbol of the Palestinian struggle by the Palestinian people. He was an elected parliamentarian, the number one person in the Fatah party in the Palestinian parliament. The last time they held elections when Marwan was elected was a very long time ago.
Marwan was arrested in 2002 for being one of the leaders of the Second Intifada. And he was accused by Israel of being responsible for the deaths of many Israelis. He was convicted and is serving five consecutive life sentences plus 40 years.
As such, Marwan being in prison all these years is seen as this symbolic figure. He came from the Fatah movement. He was one of the young people who led it, and he remains that symbol. His campaign for his release has been strong both inside of Palestine and around the world. And as you said, he beats every potential Palestinian leader in any elections that might be held. I’ll just remind you that Palestine hasn’t held elections since 2006.
And Mahmoud Abbas, the current president, who’s 89 years old, is in the 18th year of a four-year term and enjoys little legitimacy, if any. So, anyone can beat Mahmoud Abbas, but Marwan Barghouti is the chosen favorite of every Palestinian. He is kind of a black box, though. We really don’t know what’s inside of that box because he has been silent most of these years. He hasn’t spoken out and people don’t really know what he stands for. The reality of Marwan might be very good. On the other hand, it might not be very good.
And Marwan Barghouti, he will probably be released in a deal with Hamas when that deal is made. Whether he’ll be allowed to stay in Palestine, we don’t know. The Israelis may demand that he be deported abroad. And I think that if Marwan is given the choice of staying in prison or going and living in the United Arab Emirates, he will choose to go and live in the United Arab Emirates. But we will see. He has a role to play in the future of Palestine. And he is the most symbolic leader of the Palestinian people.
Shanmugathas: And you had a personal relationship with Marwan Barghouti, and I believe that continued even during his incarceration, is that right?
Baskin: Yeah, I’ve been corresponding with him over the last years. Our correspondence continued until the beginning of the war on October 7th of last year, when Marwan, to the best of my knowledge, has been transferred five different times to different prisons in Israel. He has been held in solitary confinement for long periods of time.
I understand that he has been physically tortured in prison. His condition is unknown. He is not allowed, like other security prisoners, he is not allowed family visits. His lawyer, I think since the beginning of the war, more than a year ago, has only seen him three times. So, we really don’t know what his situation is.
Shanmugathas: And could you talk about what kind of correspondence you had with Marwan Barghouti, what kind of insight you gained from that correspondence?
Baskin: Yes. This began more intensively about two years ago, and I wanted to understand Marwan’s views on various issues. We corresponded back and forth, though I can’t disclose the content as I didn’t have permission to do so. Our correspondence was confidential, but what I gathered from him is, firstly, that he still strongly supports a two-state solution, which surprised me.
He believes a solution to the Palestinian issue must be found within a regional framework, where both Israelis and Palestinians can achieve stability, security, economic growth, and hope for a real resolution. While he reserves the right of the Palestinian people to armed struggle, if necessary, it is not his preferred option. He emphasized that Palestinians have a right to resist occupation by any means, including armed struggle, but reiterated that his choice is diplomacy, political engagement, and negotiation. He is a man of principle — that’s what I understand from him. However, since these discussions aren’t public, I would feel more confident in these being his official positions if he could make these statements publicly.
Shanmugathas: It has been reported in numerous news outlets that Hamas’ top demand in any prisoner exchange with Israel is the release of Marwan Barghouti. Firstly, why does Hamas want Barghouti released, even though he does not share the same views as Hamas? You mentioned that you believe it’s likely Israel will agree to release him in a prisoner exchange. I’m personally doubtful about that, given Barghouti’s strong legitimacy and how Barghouti cannot be corrupted by the Israelis, compared to someone like Abbas. Could you elaborate on this?
Baskin: Sure. Before October 7th, there were 559 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences or more than one life sentence, and Barghouti is among them. The prisoners that Hamas is most interested in freeing are these 559 individuals; they will be at the top of Hamas’s list, and there will likely be resistance from Israel regarding their release. Israel has demanded the veto of 60 to 65 names in negotiations, and I assume that Israel would want to veto the release of Marwan Barghouti.
I think Hamas is very interested in showcasing their victory by securing the release of prisoners serving the longest sentences, which would be a significant achievement for them. They will likely be very demanding in negotiations. Barghouti is just one of about 20 prisoners who could be seen as symbols of Palestinian resistance — or, from the Israeli perspective, as terrorists responsible for the deaths of many Israelis. This will lead to significant arguments between Israel, Hamas, and the mediators over who should be freed and the terms of their release.
Marwan is not the number one person on Hamas’ list, but he is among the top individuals they want to secure as a victory for the Palestinian people. They understand that freeing prisoners like Marwan Barghouti will be viewed very positively by Palestinians, regardless of their political affiliations.
Shanmugathas: It has been reported that Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian Authority leader, has advised Israel to reject any offers from Hamas that would result in the release of Marwan Barghouti. Is this true to your knowledge?
Baskin: I don’t know. I haven’t seen that reported anywhere. I don’t know if that’s true. That sounds like some kind of political spin of people who are against Mahmoud Abbas.
Shanmugathas: Israel’s offensive in Gaza has now extended to Lebanon as part of its conflict with Hezbollah. Recently, Israel killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. In your view, what is Israel’s goal in Lebanon? And do you think Israel will achieve that goal?
Baskin: Right. First, I want to clarify what you said: Hezbollah attacked Israel on October 8th, the day after Israel was attacked by Hamas. Thus, the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah began with Hezbollah expressing support for the people of Gaza and Hamas in their attack on Israel.
For most of the past year, it has been a war of attrition, with Hezbollah sending rockets and drones into Israel and Israel responding with rockets and drones targeting Lebanon. The situation has escalated out of control, especially after Israel assassinated the Hezbollah leader, Hassan Nasrallah.
Israel has targeted the top command of Hezbollah’s military leadership and many political leaders, including the individual originally appointed as the second-in-command after Hassan Nasrallah. This conflict has escalated to the point where northern Israel has seen significant destruction, leaving about 100,000 Israelis homeless, while southern Lebanon has also suffered, with thousands of homes and villages being destroyed by Israel.
Israel discovered an extensive underground infrastructure in southern Lebanon, including homes, which Hezbollah planned to use for a cross-border attack against Israel, attempting to replicate what Hamas did in southern Israel on October 7th. Israel is focused on destroying that infrastructure while also targeting Hezbollah sites around Beirut, particularly in Dahiya and other neighborhoods, to mitigate the threat posed by Hamas.
This conflict has spilled over into Yemen and [Iran], leading to ballistic missile attacks by Iran against Israel, which Israel has managed to deflect with the help of its neighbors.
However, the situation remains very dangerous and has the potential to escalate further.
Shanmugathas: So, it sounds like you support Israel’s so-called “counterterrorism” operations in Lebanon?
Baskin: No, I’m not [implying] that at all. I believe these issues need to be addressed diplomatically. There are no military solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or to the conflict between Israel and Lebanon. In fact, Israel and Lebanon don’t have a real conflict; there is a border issue that can be easily resolved.
Shanmugathas: While he was alive, it was reported that Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon, rejected offers for a ceasefire with Israel unless Israel ended its offensive in Gaza. Do you believe that to be true? Even after Nasrallah’s assassination, do you think Hezbollah will continue to refuse any ceasefire with Israel unless it is tied to Israel ending its offensive in Gaza?
Baskin: I think before the killing of Nasrallah, it was definitely true. We saw that last November when there was a week-long ceasefire, that Hezbollah kept a ceasefire in the north without it being negotiated. When the war in Gaza stopped, the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel also ceased. I’m not sure that’s the case today. If the war in Gaza ends, would Hezbollah stop its military actions against Israel? I hope it would.
I know that the United States, France, and others are trying to negotiate between Israel and Hezbollah for the reinstatement of UN Security Council Resolution 1701. For the time being, Lebanon has rejected Israel’s demands, which are essentially twofold: first, Israel’s right to re-enter Lebanon if it discovers the rebuilding of infrastructure aimed at attacking Israel from the south, and second, Israel’s right to continue its flyovers over Lebanon, which violate Lebanese sovereignty. The Lebanese side rejects both of these demands.
These negotiations will continue, and hopefully, they will lead to a solution that guarantees Israel won’t violate Lebanon’s sovereignty. Lebanon needs to become an independent sovereign nation, not controlled by the militia of Hezbollah, but governed by the people of Lebanon, who deserve the opportunity to rebuild their country free from the constraints that Hezbollah has imposed for so many years. I hope for a reinstatement of peace and calm in the north and a movement toward resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Shanmugathas: Tensions between Israel and Iran have escalated significantly over the past several months and weeks. Analysts have speculated that Israel’s aim is to draw the United States into a broader war with Iran. What are your thoughts on that?
Baskin: Well, obviously, the United States is not taking the bait and is not being drawn into a wider war with Iran. The Americans have assured Israel that they have its back if attacked by Iran. They have sent anti-rocket systems to support Israel’s air defenses. Additionally, the alliance between the United States and other Arab countries — Egypt, Jordan, the Emirates, and the Saudis — has contributed to defending Israel when it has been attacked by Iranian ballistic missiles.
The Iranian-Israeli conflict is not really about anything substantive other than the fact that the regime in Iran, led by the Ayatollahs, is committed to the destruction of Israel, and obviously, Israel will not allow that to happen. There is also the issue of whether Iran will develop a nuclear weapon, which they have been working on for over 30 years. Israel is doing everything it can to prevent this, along with the rest of the world, which does not want to see another nuclear nation, particularly in the Middle East.
The conflict between Israel and Iran also needs to be resolved. I believe the Iranian people, in general, would like a regime change. Someday they will be empowered to achieve that, as we saw almost happen in 2009, and it will likely happen in the future as well. The Iranian people deserve to be free from the regime that has them in such a dire situation. The Iranian economy is in ruins due to sanctions imposed by the international community because of their nuclear program. Overall, Iran is not in good shape, and I think the Iranian people would prefer a regime free from the Ayatollahs.
Shanmugathas: In terms of accountability for war crimes, once there is an end to the offensive in Gaza and a level of stability is achieved, questions about accountability will arise. The international Criminal Court (ICC) chief prosecutor has sought war crimes charges against Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. What are your thoughts on what accountability will look like in the post-conflict period?
Baskin: If we look back in history, there has been very little accountability in Israel, and it will continue to have impunity in the face of the international community unless there is a significant change in the current situation. The chief prosecutor of the ICC has requested warrants for the arrest of both Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, while also requesting warrants for the arrest of Ismail Haniyeh and Yahya Sinwar, both of whom are no longer alive.
I know there are talks behind the scenes about the possibility of dropping the request for warrants if Netanyahu agrees to end the war in Gaza and withdraw Israeli troops from the region. Usually, Israel addresses these claims of war crimes by having an independent judiciary that conducts its own investigations, which, according to the Rome Statute, enables Israel to avoid facing justice in international courts. However, we know that Netanyahu and his government have been working to undermine the independence of the Israeli judiciary, which could put Israel at risk of facing consequences in the ICC.
Shanmugathas: The international consensus for a durable solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict has been for two states along the pre-June 1967 lines, with minor mutual land swaps, East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine, and West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Do you believe that such a solution is still viable? Especially given what has happened post October 7th?
Baskin: Yeah, I think there is still no other solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Those who dream of a one-state solution are not living in reality, particularly after October 7th. Palestinians need freedom, independence, dignity, and self-determination.
They have previously agreed to live in a Palestinian state in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967, with adjustments to accommodate the realities that have developed over the last 56 years. That solution is still on the table and needs to be brought to fruition by the international community. All 193 member states of the United Nations recognize the state of Palestine, with about 151 or 152 of them already doing so.
While this doesn’t end the occupation, we need to remove the veto on Palestinian statehood from Israel. Additionally, we need to replace the current leaders; neither Netanyahu, Abbas, nor any Hamas leaders are capable or willing to negotiate this kind of solution. The Israeli and Palestinian people must confront the reality that if we don’t want this war to become just another in a long cycle of conflicts lasting 100 years, we need new leaders who can envision a different future.
We won’t forget the past; each side will remember the horrific actions of the other. However, we also need to recognize that even after this war, there will be 7 million Palestinian Arabs and 7 million Israeli Jews between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. They aren’t going anywhere, and they will have to figure out how to share this land in a way that enables both sides to have dignity, freedom, liberation, self-determination, and security.
Shanmugathas: What I found interesting is that if you speak with Palestinians on the ground, many of them feel they’ve had the two-state solution shoved down their throats to the point that they have lost faith in the notion of two states. However, the overwhelming majority of Palestinians support Marwan Barghouti, who is a vocal advocate of a two-state solution. I’ve always found that dichotomy quite intriguing.
Baskin: You’re right. I don’t think that Palestinians categorically reject the solution of two states. They want freedom and independence; they want equality, opportunity, and agency. What they do reject is the Oslo peace process, which was a 30-year endeavor that failed to achieve its goals and never had a clear, explicit endgame. They reject the idea of returning to a kind of open-ended negotiation that goes on forever without results.
However, I think if you ask people whether they would prefer to have freedom and independence in a Palestinian state next to Israel in five years or to continue the conflict, the overwhelming majority would choose the first option.
Shanmugathas: With respect to a just proposal for a two-state solution, what are your thoughts on the Clinton Parameters and the Geneva Initiative? Do you believe a two-state solution would eventually come along those lines?
Baskin: Yeah, those are more or less the lines that are going to happen. I can bring you up to date. Former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was brought together with a Palestinian colleague, Samer Sinjlawi, and Nasser al-Qudwa, who was the PLO representative at the United Nations for 17 years. He served as the Palestinian Authority’s foreign minister, is the nephew of Yasser Arafat, and was the chairman of the Yasser Arafat Foundation. In 2021, when elections were supposed to take place in May, Nasser al-Qudwa headed a political party supported by Marwan Barghouti.
In fact, Nasser al-Qudwa was number one on the list, and Marwan’s wife, Fatwa Barghouti, was number two. Nasser al-Qudwa and Ehud Olmert collaborated to draw up a plan aimed at ending the war in Gaza. This plan includes an Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, replacing Hamas governance with a legitimate Palestinian authority that is organically linked to the Palestinian Authority but independent of Mahmoud Abbas. It proposes a two-state solution along the 1967 borders with mutually agreed-upon territorial swaps and a resolution for Jerusalem, where East Jerusalem would be the capital of Palestine and West Jerusalem would be the capital of Israel.
In the Old City of Jerusalem, which is less than one square kilometer and home to all the holy sites, there would be no exclusive sovereignty for either Israel or Palestine. Instead, a five-nation committee or governor would oversee the Old City, including the states of Israel and Palestine, along with three other nations, to ensure that all people can enjoy freedom of worship and respect for the holy places.
So, there is a solution on the table. It’s not a detailed plan, but they have outlined a vision during this period of war to demonstrate that there is a way out and a path forward. This provides a beacon of light and hope for all the people in this region that we can move beyond this conflict.
Shanmugathas: What are your thoughts on Donald Trump’s re-election win as President of the United States?
Baskin: Disaster for the United States and the world. We can hardly imagine what Trump [will] do. Regardless of the election results, Joe Biden still has 75 days to end the war in Gaza. Will Biden’s legacy be the President of the War in Gaza or the President who ended the War in Gaza? The election of Trump and the appointment of [Israel] Katz as Israeli Minister of Defense does not change the reality that to get all of the hostages home, the war in Gaza must end, Israel must withdraw from all of Gaza, Israel will have to release Palestinian prisoners, and Hamas will have to confirm that they are going to transfer the government in Gaza to a civilian, professional, technocratic council that Hamas is not part of.
Shanmugathas: With Trump’s presidential re-election win, how will this impact your negotiations with Hamas and Israel? Will Israel feel emboldened and now less inclined to seriously come to the table to end this war?
Baskin: Yes.
Shanmugathas: There have been numerous human rights reports that have concluded that Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories constitutes apartheid. Interestingly, Noam Chomsky, the famous linguist and academic, has asserted that what Israel is doing in the occupied territories is actually “worse than apartheid.” Chomsky asserts that in the case of apartheid South Africa, the white minority needed the black labor force as a cheap source of labor for foreign corporations. South Africa created Bantustans, tried to get international recognition of them, tried to make the conditions somewhat livable; they needed the black population. In the case of Israel, however, Israel doesn’t want the Palestinian population. They would preferably like to expel them. So, in that sense, Chomsky argues what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid.
Baskin: I think you’re exaggerating. There are indeed parties and leaders in Israel who want to expel the Palestinians and conquer all the territory. However, the reality is that until October 7th, there were about 200,000 Palestinians from the West Bank who were working in Israel. Israel began a process a couple of years ago to allow Palestinians from Gaza to work in Israel, and there are about 17,000 of them crossing into Israel every day.
The West Bank economy is largely dependent on Israel. Of course, the occupation limits the growth of the Palestinian economy, and Palestinians do not have freedom; their land is taken from them, and illegal Israeli settlements are built there. There is no sense of justice whatsoever. In my view, comparing which form of apartheid is worse is a foolish argument. We need to eliminate any form of apartheid and discrimination and seek equality, peace, and justice. Therefore, raising the question of which apartheid is worse is not productive.
Shanmugathas: Chomsky is not arguing which apartheid is worse. What Chomsky is saying is that Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian Territories is much worse than apartheid as the term “apartheid” is defined under the Apartheid Convention.
Baskin: Yeah. Okay. He is entitled to his opinion. I think it’s a senseless argument and I think what we need to do is get rid of any form of apartheid and we need to seek justice and peace.
Shanmugathas: Are you able to talk about what you’re currently doing now in terms of back-channel negotiations?
Baskin: I’m trying to encourage the sides to reach an agreement that will enable us to end the war, bring back the hostages, change the governance in Gaza so that the people in Gaza have a chance of rebuilding with the support of the Arab world and the international community, and getting the Israelis to agree.
And, of course, what we want to ultimately see is a replacement of our government in Israel and a change of leadership in Palestine. And those are all issues that I’m working on together with colleagues and friends and partners both in Israel and in Palestine and around the world.
Shanmugathas: Thank you so much, Mr. Baskin, for speaking with JURIST.
Baskin: You’re very welcome. link
The Region and the World
- The United States is continuing to send forces to the Middle East ahead of an expected Iranian attack on Israel, with flight tracking sites showing American F-15E aircraft en route to Jordan.
According to Haaretz, at least 12 of the jets are on their way to the region, joining the fighter planes already deployed.
There is no formal announcement from the US military.
Iranian leaders have warned they will mete out a “punishing” reprisal attack against Israel for a series of retaliatory sorties on October 26 — themselves a reaction to a massive Iranian ballistic missile attack on October 1 — that Jerusalem says knocked out the Islamic Republic’s air defenses and missile production capabilities.
Reports have indicated the Iranian attack may come as soon as this week and that projectiles could be launched from Iraq.
Earlier this week, US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin ordered several B-52 Stratofortress bomber aircraft, tanker aircraft and Navy destroyers to deploy to the Middle East,
Last month, the US rushed its advanced THAAD, or the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, system to to Israel. The anti-missile system is a critical part of the US military’s layered air defense systems and adds to Israel’s already formidable anti-missile defenses.
Survivors
Personal Stories Taken captive: Shlomo Mansour, as his wife of 60 years escaped
Shlomo Mansour, 85, was taken captive by Hamas terrorists who broke into his Kibbutz Kissufim home on October 7.
On that black Shabbat morning, at least eight Kissufim residents and six Thai laborers were murdered, and around four people were abducted and taken to Gaza.
Mazal, Mansour’s wife of 60 years, was miraculously able to escape.
Mansour was born in Iraq, and has lived in Kissufim for most of his adult life, with Mazal.
He managed the kibbutz chicken coop for many years.
Mansour is known as a modest man with a big heart and golden hands, who loves making things for his grandchildren.
He is beloved by his family and Kissufim community, a small, quiet kibbutz
Who is Shlomo Mantzur, the Oldest Hostage Held by Hamas?
According to Haaretz, at least 12 of the jets are on their way to the region, joining the fighter planes already deployed.
There is no formal announcement from the US military.
Iranian leaders have warned they will mete out a “punishing” reprisal attack against Israel for a series of retaliatory sorties on October 26 — themselves a reaction to a massive Iranian ballistic missile attack on October 1 — that Jerusalem says knocked out the Islamic Republic’s air defenses and missile production capabilities.
Reports have indicated the Iranian attack may come as soon as this week and that projectiles could be launched from Iraq.
Earlier this week, US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin ordered several B-52 Stratofortress bomber aircraft, tanker aircraft and Navy destroyers to deploy to the Middle East,
Last month, the US rushed its advanced THAAD, or the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, system to to Israel. The anti-missile system is a critical part of the US military’s layered air defense systems and adds to Israel’s already formidable anti-missile defenses.
Shlomo Mansour, 85, was taken captive by Hamas terrorists who broke into his Kibbutz Kissufim home on October 7.
On that black Shabbat morning, at least eight Kissufim residents and six Thai laborers were murdered, and around four people were abducted and taken to Gaza.
Mazal, Mansour’s wife of 60 years, was miraculously able to escape.
Mansour was born in Iraq, and has lived in Kissufim for most of his adult life, with Mazal.
He managed the kibbutz chicken coop for many years.
Mansour is known as a modest man with a big heart and golden hands, who loves making things for his grandchildren.
He is beloved by his family and Kissufim community, a small, quiet kibbutz
Shlomo Mantzur, 86—the oldest hostage held by Hamas terrorists—is a loving husband and grandfather who escaped the antisemitic, 1941 Iraqi Farhud massacre and emigrated to Israel, only to face another pogrom 82 years later in the Jewish state. link
It Was All ClearTamir PardoFormer Director of Mossad.
On the morning of October 8th we learned the extent of the greatest catastrophe in the history of the state of Israel: the western Negev had been conquered for 24 hours. Fourteen hundred Israelis were murdered, 250 abducted - including babies, boys and girls, men and women, the elderly and soldiers, all taken from their beds without any notice or warning. An immeasurable failure and abandonment.A brave, cool-headed leader would have understood immediately, hours after learning the scope of the disaster, that his first and only goal was to release the hostages. Only after they were all returned, those dead and those still alive, could the next steps be planned: forging security arrangements that will allow the return of civilians to their homes, and the elimination of all Hamas members who took part - directly or indirectly - in the events of October 7th.From the first moment, the price Israel would have to pay was clear. It was clear as day that not all the hostages could be returned through military operations, not even a significant minority.
The Prime Minister did not set the return of the hostages as the primary objective of the campaign. Only through public pressure was it introduced, on an equal footing with toppling and eliminating Hamas, despite the obvious and inherent contradiction in the fact that there were two primary objectives.It was clear to anyone who understands counter-terrorism that military pressure, as massive as it may be, would not promote their release. It was clear that as time progressed the price would only soar higher.It was clear from the start that once the ground maneuver began, many would be killed and murdered and the number of fallen soldiers would increase.It was clear that the hostages could not be returned without ending the war and returning to the October 6th lines.The Israeli government has abandoned its citizens twice, first on October 7th and again when it did not do what it took to bring them back.The Prime Minister has made every possible mistake in managing the war’s primary objective - the return of all hostages.
The Prime Minister did not set the return of the hostages as the primary objective of the campaign. Only through public pressure was it introduced, on an equal footing with toppling and eliminating Hamas, despite the obvious and inherent contradiction in the fact that there were two primary objectives.
Acronyms and Glossary
ICC - International Criminal Court in the Hague
IJC - International Court of Justice in the Hague
MDA - Magen David Adom - Israel Ambulance Corp
PA - Palestinian Authority - President Mahmud Abbas, aka Abu Mazen
PMO- Prime Minister's Office
UAV - Unmanned Aerial vehicle, Drone. Could be used for surveillance and reconnaissance, or be weaponized with missiles or contain explosives for 'suicide' explosion mission
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